LIBERAL DONOR “100 PERCENT FINE” WITH SOUTHERN SECESSION
Members of an ultra-liberal, ultra-secretive digital gathering – a group recently outed in the media – have offered up some curious views on an issue we’ve discussed from time to time on this website.
We’re referring to the right of secession – an exceedingly delicate topic our founding editor addressed not long ago in this post.
Conventional wisdom dictates the federal government would never allow a state to secede – especially not a southern state. After all, such self-determinative thinking goes against the liberal modus operandi of keeping citizens poor, dumb, dependent and subservient.
Everything the federal government’s policies have wrought, in other words …
Apparently we were wrong, though. It seems there is considerable appetite within the liberal community to let states – especially southern ones – “go their own way” (to borrow a Lindsey Buckingham lyric). In fact this concept was given extensive treatment by the members of “Gamechanger Salon,” the high-brow, far left online collective of liberal luminaries that was exposed a few weeks ago by the website Media Trackers .
The secession discussion began when a member of “Gamechanger Salon” posted an October 2013 piece entitled “The South is Holding America Hostage.” Written by “progressive” author Michael Lind, the article argued that members of the Southern elite were conspiring “to prevent the Southern victims of … local economic policies from teaming up with allies in other parts of the U.S. to impose federal-level reforms on the Southern states.”
Really? Not in South Carolina …
Anyway, Lind suggested his fellow “progressives” adopt a game plan to counter this effort – which the individual who posted his article on “Gamechanger Salon” was clearly hoping to do.
“I thought this was an impressive (if tough) piece of big-picture political strategy and prescription,” the individual noted in posting Lind’s article to the liberal groupthink’s private web exchange.
He didn’t get the response he expected, we’re guessing.
“In the alternative, could we just let the South secede?” asked Guy Saperstein, a California Democratic mega-donor who was among the first to respond to the article.
“My comment was not made in jest at all,” Saperstein added. “For more than 100 years, the South has been dumbing down national politics, tilting the country in a conservative direction, supporting militarism, all while demanding huge financial subsidies from blue states. It would be 100 percent fine with me if the South was a separate nation, pursuing its own priorities and destiny. And if people like you succeed in blunting the conservatism of the South, more power to you.”
Whoa …
Saperstein added in a follow-up interview that secession would not pose problems for blacks because it “would be a gradual process, giving any blacks who felt threatened time to relocate.”
He further opined that civil rights gains of the last fifty years “would not be lost for any blacks willing to relocate and the ones who relocated would do much better in their new environments.”
Hold up … really?
Who said anything about those of us discussing secession in 2014 being racists?
Sure slavery was the impetus of secession 150 years ago, but as we noted in our recent treatment of the issue any contemplation of a new government “must be based on a declaration of universal human rights,” one in which the government that displaces federal authority vows to “make no law discriminating against citizens on the basis of gender, race, creed, color or sexual orientation.”
That’s pretty “progressive” if you ask us …
Still, follow-up commenters on the story ripped southerners as “Neo-conservatives,” once again implying that anyone who opposes the federal government must naturally be racist.
Sheesh … here we go again.
Here’s the thing about secession: No one is seriously considering it … yet. But if the far left is willing to let southern states give it a go, who are we to stop them?
RAPID REACION
@fitsnews Ima hardcore progressive from S Cakalaki. I now live in the San Fran. These f***kin a$$holes have never even been to the south!
— lil jimmy touzel (@jamestouzel) August 13, 2014
103 comments
We all should know every issue facing the South is a direct result of racism. If you don’t think so, Saperstein and his groupies will educate you to the “facts”. I agree with you…sheesh
I have thought it a great idea for a long time. I am ready to vote…
Silly
If South Carolina could succeed and get out front under the $18 trillion federal debt, it would be great. If we had to take our proportion of the national debt, 1.5% would mean we would have to take on a debt of $270 billion in debt. Perhaps South Carolina would get some money back from the Social Security lock box.
SC will never succeed.
If they do, give me notice so I can move to a blue area with a good beach.
Good luck finding one.
San Diego.
Florida would not go.
It’d almost have to become its own country if it didn’t.
It would work out great for them. They could use the flood of unemployed impoverished Georgians, South Carolinians, and Mississippians to work in their hotels.
You really hate the South so much and think so little of its people that it would make sense for you to move douchebag.
I do not hate the South. I do not hate its people. My family has been here since before there was a South Carolina. My ancestors served under Francis Marion in the Revolution and yes fought for the Confederacy. I am proud to be a South Carolinian and a US Citizen.
That does not mean I love the attitude of all southerners, and I reserve the right to fight to keep those people from ruining this state and this nation because they are too blinded by anger, hate and racism to appreciate the blessing we have received, and the benefits of being given the privilege to be citizen of the US.
You reserve the right to be an American hating bigot ONLY that supports our enemies abroad and the destruction of America from within.
You despise people of faith and believe America is evil. You are no different than ISIS or the looters in St.Louis-souless bastards with no respect for the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.
We are not blinded by your hate and ignorance and the reserve the right to fight the evil you and the other socialists seeking our demise project into our communities, at the ballot box.
You will never see one post from me to show I hate this country or that I am a socialist. You on the other hand obviously hate this country, as you are openly advocating its destruction.
As for supporting enemies abroad, again you have nothing on me. I have never supported anyone or any country out to injure this nation, including people like you. You are the one who resembles ISIS. You want to destroy the country of your birth, and whose system of government lets you spew all your anger and hate without fear of retribution.
As for my faith, that is between me and god and I am happy with that relationship. There is no place there for hate.
So wave your Confederate flags, post you racist rants, espouse you baseless claims of persecution, pretend to be a patriot when you clearly are not. As I said, these are your opinions not mine, and thats the point.
You’re a self hater.
“Northern Cuba”
Head down south of Palm Bay – it already is its own country and Spanish is the primary language. No hable – no eato.
It would have to be you. Secede
I think that was intentional jackassery on his part, BT…
Embarrassment then a laugh. No problem.
BTDT…
I see what you did there…+1
And we wouldn’t have to worry about that military money coming into Columbia, Sumter, Beaufort, Charleston, etc. And we could clean up that radioactivity at the SRP ourselves.
Why would SRP get off the hook because of secession?
Hell, it would be one of the terms of such if anything. “You fucked it up, you fix it.”
And what would be your bargaining power to get that done. Its like quitting your job and asking your ex-boss for a retroactive raise.
Not really, if your boss owned you money and you quit your job would be a better example.
But that’s my point, secession is negotiated usually…just like most people give “two weeks” so there’s an amicable split up between them and their employer.
*owed
If South Carolina could sucede and get out front under the $18 trillion federal debt, it would be great.
Yeah, getting out of having to pay back what you owe is great, huh?
The federal government ran up part of that debt sending SC more money than SC sent it, after all.
Gotta get while the getting is good.
Look at the tables section of this link. SC is at the bottom in Balance of Payments (BOP).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state
Wikipedia information is not edited. It is only useful if you confirm the information from other sources. Here is the real story.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
“Yeah, getting out of having to pay back what you owe is great, huh?”
It is when you have no other options. You’re a fool for thinking the debt will ever be paid back to start.
“The federal government ran up part of that debt sending SC more money than SC sent it, after all.”
That’s right, the Feds made that decision, not SC.
Actually you are wrong. The state is free to stop taking federal highway funds,refuse to participate in Medicaid, refuse to take education funds, ask the military to shut down the bases, not receive funds for port operations, have its state schools refuse students who are receiving federally subsidized loans, etc. etc, etc. SC could transform from a taker state to a giver state almost overnight.
I’ll go slowly….yes Tom. A state is free to do that. But the state still has to pay taxes currently.
Not so with secession.
You obviously cannot read. His point was the Federal Government forced SC to become a taker state. No, it did not. SC chose to be a taker state.
“You obviously cannot read. His point was the Federal Government forced SC to become a taker state.”
Obviously, you can’t read Tom. The “point” was that the Feds incurred the debt, not SC. SC simply took the funds and the Feds can’t balance a budget you moron.
I read fine. The topic was whether it would be fair for SC to welch on its share of the national debt if it seceded. You argued it was as the Federal Government forced SC to take money. I say it would not be fair, because no one forced SC to do anything. They did it voluntarily, and since they are one of the taker states, the federal deficit is disproportionately their fault. Therefore they should retain their share of the national debt if not more.
“They did it voluntarily, and since they are one of the taker states, the federal deficit is disproportionately their fault.”
They can’t control the Feds or their budget, Douchey Douchington.
oh please secede!
I also advocate this approach. The Feds should allow the back-ass-ward states in the Old Confederacy and some in the Mid-West to secede as they are holding back the USA at large.
They would be able to cut taxes to 0% across all brackets, issue open-carry gun permits to every man, woman and child, end all public schools in lieu of home schooling so they can pray and teach evolution to their hearts content, repeal the civil rights act, repeal the clean air act, repeal the clean water act, repeal the affordable care act, repeal the 13th Amendment and whatever else they want to get up to…..BUT…..
They would get absolutely ZERO assistance from the US Federal gov’t. Since they would be an autonomous sovereign confederation within our borders…let them rot and wallow in the mess that would be their own making. Revoke their US citizenship, cut off all federal investment and aid, cut off all consular support, nullify all passports…I think you get the idea.
Democrat cesspool Detroit is $18 billion in debt, you ignorant F*#k. And you call the South @$$-backward. What about the health and prosperity of Texas compared the sickness of California and NY.
What about the school districts in SC ruled by democrats. You’re about as @$-F*#king backward as you can get….No one ever tells you that..and you’re too F*#king @$$-backward stupid to connect the dots…
The problem is that the Old Confederacy might turn into a Third World country, thus becoming an even greater problem for the U.S. In this state, if the federal government did not prosecute criminal law-enforcement officers and public officials, no one would ever be indicted. Look at the absurdity of the Harrell situation. That is what the future would look like.
‘…might turn…”?
Suddenly all those Northern liberals would be saying “Secure the border first.”
You left out the ‘9th Amendment’-the one that has given the Democrat Party and Hitler Jr.the legal right to exterminate 50 million children since Roe v. Wade.
Throw that in and and stop muslim Obama from allowing the elimination of all Christians in the middle east and we got a deal.
The irony would be that Red State “migrants” crossing over into Blue State America to find a better way to support their families would be treated like illegal immigrants. You’d have people like Nikki Haley quietly encouraging poor people to sneak up North so she wouldn’t have to worry about solving devastating economic inequalities at home, while people in the North would be demanding that a wall be built on the border to keep out the “criminal,” “diseased” Southerners.
I kinda like the ironic justice of this secession. Someone should do a TV series based on it. It would be a hoot to watch Tea Partiers running from the border guards and showing up at Northern hospitals begging for free medical treatment.
They would get absolutely ZERO assistance from the US Federal gov’t.
Instant secession talk killer, just add water.
Yea, I don’t know about that. I think all this talk about even allowing secession is one big red herring. It would never happen, the reason why is the Liberals would lose a valuable bogeyman in the “evil South”.
The South must be “educated” by the superior Liberal intellect, like the Europe did in civilizing the savages in the New World.
“let them rot and wallow in the mess that would be their own making”
Which fiscal Titanic is going down first:
1. California
2. New York
3. South Carolina
Glad to see you’re for secession.
I believe Jerry Brown, a liberal, recently balanced the budget in California.
lol..he didn’t balance the budget:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/18/gov-brown-uses-tricks-to-balance-ca-budget
Balanced budget?
No, things have even become worse:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2013/07/08/jerry-brown-stands-atop-californias-collapsing-house-of-cards/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us/california-balances-its-budget.html?_r=0
Sorry, gotta take Forbes over the NYT’s.
NY & CA have the same fiscal problem and same attitude towards it, not withstanding Sure’s post below…though Breitbart isn’t the most unbiases at times(just like the NYT’s).
Divide the country in half. Conservatives in one half. Liberals on the other. It would not be 5 years before the liberal side looked like Haiti, Hampton County, Detroit or Iran…and we’d have to construct a wall to keep you ignorant son of a B!t#h#$ out…
You’re lazy, stupid, naive and corrupt. When there was no one to work, to feed your elitism and class-warfare hatred…you’ll $#!* all over yourselves..and the lap-dog Dumb@$$ minions who feed off of your Greed, would have to eat S#!t to stay alive…
Sure…. Because the liberal states are the poor ones now. Uh huh…
One dirty truth you would never be able to admit is that states like South Carolina are the freeloading welfare states.
The districts that vote D look like in SC Third-World Countries. Detroit, California and New York have been on the verge, or have been bankrupt, and bailed out by the rest of the country. While Texas is the hub of prosperity.
Even SC has surpassed the nation in job attraction since we have a governor, not on the Appalachian Trail, and not spewing a liberal message.
It’s amazing how many people that live in California have opinions of the “South” that have no basis in reality, most of them haven’t even been to the South.(and I speak on the basis of having lived in both areas)
Regardless, politics make strange bedfellows and if their misconceptions on what the South represents allows us to get the hell away from them, than that’s great for both parties.
It’s better if birds of a feather can congregate together, it makes for a more harmonious situation. Secession is a good idea.
I’m curious, what opinion do people in CA have about SC? What are the misconceptions/
Speaking in generalities among the Liberal sub set there, it’s a similar attitude to the Northern elite mentality.
The only difference with Cali is that there’s a lot of people that don’t give a shit…free spirits, Republican pockets here and there, that type of stuff. But among the hard Liberals it’s a similar mentality…yet few of them have actually traveled to let alone lived in the South. It’s all repeated non-sense, group think.
What attitude are you speaking of? What opinions? What mentality?
Oh Jesus, read the article loser.
Lauren Bacall dies at 89.
…and still smoking hot!
lol….great name.
Lauren Bacall dies at 89
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3721426002001/teen-facing-life-sentence-for-selling-pot-brownies/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips
LOL. “Who said anything about those of us discussing secession in 2014 being racists?”
As if the New Confederacy wouldn’t immediately revoke all Civil Rights legislation and establish a new de facto segregated society.
One of the arguments against the Civil Rights Act was “states rights” after all.
“Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy”
Ah shit, you found out about us.
Oh good grief. And of course the low-intelligence ones that haunt this forum lapped up every word . . .
Constantly bitches about taxes and federal spending, even though they receive disproportionate amounts of federal tax monies? Check.
Constantly talking about nullification and secession, not in response to something egregious like NSA spying, but over fucking health care reform? Check.
Constantly trying to replace science with religion in schools? Check.
Constantly denying climate change, or for that matter, constantly assailing anything the EPA does, even if it protects citizens from actual toxic pollutants? Check.
The list goes on, but I believe the point is made. We’re “that guy” in the group of friends who constantly complains, bums off of other people, and generally does stupid shit that pisses all the others off, and we threaten to stop hanging out with them if they don’t do what we want. You can’t tell me you’re surprised that everyone else is waiting eagerly for the day we actually leave.
Thank you for the painless “secession” from my ass last night.
I’m hoping “this website” can explain how “neoconservative” implies racism.
Actually it is the word “Southern”. Don’t you know that there is NO racism North of the Mason-Dixson. There has never been and never will be any racism up North in regards to Irish, Jews, Italians, African Americans, and a whole host of ethnic groups to numerous to mention.
Love this comment, so true. I’ve lived in the North and out West for long periods of time….the North is super racist, way more than the South. The West is probably the most easy going in terms of racial harmony.
”For more than 100 years, the South has been dumbing down national politics, tilting the country in a conservative direction, supporting militarism, all while demanding huge financial subsidies from blue states. It would be 100 percent fine with me if the South was a separate nation, pursuing its own priorities and destiny. And if people like you succeed in blunting the conservatism of the South, more power to you.”
There is nothing ‘conservative’ in the South. They’re confusing reactionary with conservative. But, most con-servatives do that, too.
And, this site is not rascist? Does FITSNews not read what FITSNews writes?
“the liberal modus operandi of keeping citizens poor, dumb, dependent and subservient.” WTF
These goals are in the RINO DNA and they get upset if Dems try to usurp them in any way. Repubs defund Education (unless its evolution teaching), keep wages low, exploit religion to cult-like extremes, and use guns to keep us scared.
Ya know – it would immediately reduce the deficit, and Texas would survive about 90 days until Mexico invaded and annexed it (which is just fine with me) – so we’d have a good trading partner – and with all that extra room, we wouldn’t have an illegal immgration issue anymore. You know, the more you think about it ——- it just means I’d have to move to San Diego – and really – that ain’t that bad.
South Carolina would be a third world South American style dictatorship in six months. For those who want to secede, I say make it more local. I.E. yourself. Leave for a better place there are actually a fair number of countries were there are few government services and they don’t tax rich people. I do not want to leave my country and you should not be able to force me to do so. Secession is for cowards. Those who are to afraid to leave on their own, and want to use government power to force the those of us who do not want to go to go with them.
God knows I do not want to live under the thumb of the right wing nuts in this state.
“Those who are to afraid to leave on their own, and want to use government power to force the those of us who do not want to go to go with them.”
Uh, didn’t they use the government power to force those who did want to leave to stay?
No, they didn’t. Those who want to leave are free to do so, and always have been. In fact, many Southerners did. Many immigrated to to Brazil after the war. No one can prevent you from leaving abandoning your country. All the government can do is prevent you from forcing others to go with you under threat of seizing your property if you do not.
You believe in an alternate reality.
No, I don’t you are free to leave the US anytime you want to. No one will stop you. But you should not be able to force me to leave the US with you. Sell you land, shut down your business and move. Its easy. But why should you be able to force me to sell my land and shut down my business when I am perfectly happy with my country.
“But why should you be able to force me to sell my land and shut down my business when I am perfectly happy with my country.”
You don’t have to either. But the way Democracy works is that if 51% of people want a different government, or want to create their own government, they should be able to. You are for Democracy, right?
We do not live in a pure democracy. We live in a Constitutional Democratic Republic. The government is charged with protecting the rights of all the citizens from the whims of the majority.
If you want to break up the country, there is a process within the Constitution for doing so. It requires a Constitutional Convention and decidedly more than a 51% vote of people in some made up geographical region.
The UK also said there was a process by which the colonies could get their voices heard, strangely it wasn’t undertaken for some reason.
Anyway, “The government is charged with protecting the rights of all the citizens from the whims of the majority.” is complete bullshit.
Our government has become the biggest violator of the rights of its citizens. Who care what its ever changing “rules” are.
First of all, you are wrong again. England, did not offer the colonies a legal way to leave. All land was subject to the rule of the King, forever, in the opinion of the King at the time.
Secondly, everything else is your BS opinion, not mine; and thats the point. If you hate the US so much, leave.
“England, did not offer the colonies a legal way to leave.”
I didn’t say that, your lacking of reading comprehension is coming though.
“The UK also said there was a process by which the colonies could get their voices heard,”
You are a total dumbass. Unlike the colonies, the states entered into a voluntary association. They set up rules to protect the citizens from the whims of the majority. The nation we have today, where people live, and how they have structured their affairs are based on reliance on those rules. When the rules were set up, the states agreed to the mechanism for ending the voluntary association. Forcing people to give up their rights other than pursuant to that agreement, violates the agreement and should rightly be resisted by the government to protect the rights of those who do not want to leave the union and give up all they and their ancestors fought to achieve. They should not be force to live in some third world hell hole set up by a bunch of uneducated rednecks who can’t see how good they have it compared to virtually ever other country in the world.
“You are a total dumbass.”
Says the dipshit that can’t read.
“Forcing people to give up their rights other than pursuant to that agreement, violates the agreement and should rightly be resisted by the government to protect the rights of those who do not want to leave the union and give up all they and their ancestors fought to achieve.”
You’re talking in circles again. The Federal government violates our rights on almost all levels. Even further, this “agreement” you speak of is non-existent when it comes to the 14th amendment, which was forced upon the South.
“They should not be force to live in some third world hell hole set up by a bunch of uneducated rednecks”
That’s what’s interesting to me Tom, your hate for the “rednecks” that surround you, yet you want to live among them.
Again, your BS opinion, not mine. That is the point.
I’ve done a fair amount of reading about that ex-pat Confederate colony in Brazil and there was a documentary about the colony on Mississippi PBS (believe it or not ) about 10 years ago and shown on SCETV. I wish i could order a copy.
Anyhow, for all the talk about how the colony would prosper and grow, it did not grow and faided into obscurity. Basically, the colony was absorbed into Brazilian culture (except for a annual reunion/observance day)
Same thing would happen if the South seceeded again. The cost for defense of a Confederate nation would be enormous.
But stranger things have happened but I don’t think I want to be part of a divided nation (it is divided enough the way it is now).
As posted some time back, I would kill my livestock,burn down my house and barn and apply salt to the property approximately .5 centimeters deep prior to my departure.
I have never heard of Gamechanger Salon, but I can understand why some people in the US would be happy for the south to secede.
What I don’t understand is why any self respecting South Carolinian would advocate for secession.
For all you knuckleddaggers who do, I say you did not have family here that owned property in 1860. Secession was a disastrous idea then and it is ridiculous today.
Let those clowns at Gamechanger say what they want. But don’t be stupid enough to agree with them.
I think your concern is that the Feds would come down and burn Columbia again. Of course no one would want that again, but that’s a separate issue. If the Feds suddenly say “Fine”, then what’s the problem if enough people want the divorce?
Those of us who do not want to live in the Banana Republic of South Carolina run by President Nikki Haley. Our fear is the Feds would not come down and protect our rights.
Awe shit, it’s picking the lesser of two evils…SC gubimint as fucked up as it is is no where near as bad as the Feds.
At least the pols here are within choking distance.
Your opinion not mine. I would rather live in the US any day than in Tea Land.
The Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and El Salvador probably give us a whiff of what a southern nation would be like, or Brazil.
For starters, it’s insulting for someone in California to assume that all Southerners hate blacks and are racists. And it’s naive to think that Southern Blacks would be predisposed to immigrate. Blacks who live in the south are considered Southerners. It is highly presumptious(not to mention insulting) for someone who has never lived in the south to suggest that any African American who does not buy into the liberal line, is a “Tom.”
True, there are differences in how our Constitution is interpreted. Many, if not most Southerners are ‘strict constructionists.” Most Southerners take a more literalistic view of the 10th amendment. But that should not earn them the “racist” label.
The country is deeply divided on several issues. They include but are not limited to, Health care, the environment, education, immigration, size and strength of our military,gay rights, prayer in the public schools, abortion rights and judicial restraint. There appears to be little common ground. Moderates have been pushed to the back of the room, in favor of far right and far left zealots.
It is becoming ever obvious that our salvation may lie in “our friend” the Constitution. A viable solution would be for the rest of the country to “draw from Southern wisdom” and “take a more literalistic view” of the 10th amendment. We are, after all, the “United States of America.” We are not “the United American States,” much to the chagrin of many!
Secession is a natural right. The United States was created through secession (read Declaration of Independence), and protected further by the 9th and 10th Amendments. The United States has a $4 Trillion budget, over $1 Trillion has to be borrowed. It has an $18 Trillion debt, and over $100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. $90 Million Americans aren’t working, yet we bring in millions of immigrants every year. I think that if you don’t want to secede, you are living in denial. Any states that want to leave (North or South) will be just fine, like the other 200+ countries in this world.
Hmm… It would be interesting if the South became it’s own country, but I’m not sure at this point it would work. Unless we can go back in time it’s kind of a silly idea to try and change the outcome of the Civil War.